Bat Ryan Clues - Origin of Family


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Batt's death certificate shows his mother's name as Ann Campbell.  We now understand our connection with the other James Ryan family in Allamakee County.  Batt's sister, Margaret, married Patrick Ryan who was James and Catherine Ryan's son.  Patrick & Margaret's farm was located next to the James and Ann Ryan (our ancestors) homestead (see Maps), and later Patrick signed up for citizenship on the same day as James Sr. and James Jr. (see Records)   Later, we saw that Bat Ryan became a godparent for one of Patrick's sisters, Margaret, who married Daniel Ryan (see Batt Ryan timetable and Daniel Ryan). 

Patrick Ryan immigrated with his family in 1850 on the ship, James Wight.  Our Ryan clan did not immigrate until 1863.  They met over here, and we suspect their travels were very similar.  We don't know when the other James Ryan clan first set foot in Iowa; however, it is possible it could have been at the same time as our James Ryan clan

Campbell was not a very common name in Tipperary.  It may have been rarer than the Boney surname.  This will focus our search from 350 "James Ryan" names to something less than 15.  Bartholomew Ryan, by the way, is one of the rarer combinations among bearers of the Ryan name.

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"Bat Ryan Death Certificate"

Putting the Clues together...

Tim recently checked and there are about 12 entries in the Griffith Valuation Record for Campbell's in Tipperary.  He has made some interesting observations about where these Campbells were located.  Several were in the larger towns (Tipperary and Thurles).  One Campbell family lived in Toem Civil Parish where Hollyford is located (also same parish where James and Catherine Ryan, parents of Patrick, lived).  Another family was located in Kilnarath Civil Parish.  Kilnarath is where the Edward Hill family came from.  Right below Kilnarath is Kilaveen Civil Parish where a group of Boneys lived.

Lets get back to Toem, which is several parishes west of Kilnarath.  A John Boney family was found living in the Reafadda-Piperhill (Hollyford) area in the 1850s/1860s.  They lived next to the Hollyford Mining Company, and several doors down from the Boneys was a James Ryan family.  It is very unusual to find all three family names living in close proximity; and even more coincidental that the Ryan families of Allamakee came from the Hollyford/Piperhill/Raefadda area.  (NOTE:  WE NOW KNOW THAT KILNARATH IS OUR FAMILY "HOME", BUT EARLIER WE BELIEVED THAT HOLLYFORD COULD BE A POTENTIAL "HOMELAND" AS WELL.   AUGUST 2, 2006.)

There is another clue indicating that Toem or Kilnarath may be the origin of our family - Mary Rita mentioned that there was a Thomas Ryan who lived around Kimball, and that he may have been a relative.  Thomas came from Anacarty which is just a few miles south of Piperhill and Hollyford.

  • ID: I077
  • Name: Thomas Ryan
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 2 Mar 1853 in Tipperary County, Anacary, Ireland

    Marriage 1 Nora Martha Dugan b: 28 Jul 1865 in Chicago, Illinois
    • Married: 5 Jan 1883 in Samonauk, Illinois
    Children
    1. Has Children Johanna Ryan b: 8 Feb 1885   -- (Geppert and Greggor family still live in Brule County today)
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    While there is compelling evidence to suggest Hollyford as the origin of our family, we aren't ruling out Kilnarath civil parish just yet.  It is also adjacent to Anacarty (Anacary) parish, and  the reason it remains on our "suspect list" is because there is good reason to believe that John Boney's father was Andrew Boney.  This would be consistent with the traditional naming conventions of the Irish (the first born male child was named after his paternal grandfather).  If this can be validated, then we find only two references of an Andrew Boney, and both are found in Kilnarath.

    In the future we will include the descendents of Patrick and Margaret Ryan, along with a write up of the Campbell family.  As Tim said, "I did not realize we had so much Scottish blood (McDonalds and Campbells)